Saturday, December 28, 2013

Chaturbate's non-response to my complaint about broadcaster Arwyn's scamming

I am writing this because @Chaturbate has done a disgracefully poor job of culling their scamming broadcasters from their midsts. Admittedly, most broadcasters on CB are honest, well-meaning individuals who are just trying to make some fair bank. Yet, many Chaturbate -rs, including me, have been scammed by those less scrupulous. 

In my case, I was conned by broadcaster @Arwyn into giving her money through Western Union. Let me tell you about her MO. 

Arwyn's trick is to PM you after you tip her well over a short period of time, and (against Chaturbate ’s TOS) ask you to add her phone # to WhatsApp, a text messaging app. Once you’ve done that, she will go right to work and start ingratiating herself with you by complimenting your looks, fantasizing casually abt a romantic future including you and herself - basically insinuate that she's got the hots for you. 

This is the bait. 

Before long, Arwyn will give all sorts of unsubstantiated reasons (“stomach functionality” problem for which she’s going to doc, school taxes, buy iPad, buy Hitachi, pay for heating for her aunt’s house, her need to cough up money for vague hospital treatments that she can’t even describe) why she needs financial help. She will pretend to like you very much. Being smitten, you will give in and send her loads of money, and she will shamelessly keep asking you for more. 

Until you get suspicious one day and dare to ask her for a receipt or other proof. Then Arwyn will threaten you with her classic “just leave me alone, you don't trust me, so it’s over” tirade. She will say this, but as long as you apologize profusely and capitulate by offering to send her the money (there’s a catch: you can’t mention anything abt needing proof again or she will mindfuck you into apologizing for having intimated that she’s a scammer or liar – both of which she, ironically, is), she will happily return to you and accept your money, promising to return it over a period of time. 

Of course, like any seasoned con artist, Arwyn - legally Antonia Theodora Chivu of Brăila, Romania - knows that as long as you believe that you’re in some real relationship with her, you’ll respond by suggesting either that it's a gift, or you'll placate her by saying "no worries, take your time," or something to that effect. By the next time that Arwyn’s asking you for money rolls around again, she still won’t have returned a single penny, but somehow, she keeps promising that everything will be returned...slowly but surely. 

And then...she "broke up" with me. A couple of days ago. On Christmas Day. For what reason? For the reason that, according to her upside-down mind, I was "playing the victim" after telling her, that fateful day, that I felt bad about myself because, at the time, she had bitched at and disparaged me non-stop for 12 hours after MoneyGram refused to approve a pending 983 USD transfer to her. This even though MoneyGram's reason for rejecting my transfer request, the representative said to me, had been the suspicious fact of Ms. Chivu's having previously received large sums of money from multiple nominally unrelated individuals living in various countries. 

In the subsequent blur of events, she expectorated in a flurry of angry texts that belied no introspective abilities in her guilt-tripping nature that I had, among other failures of duty, broken my "promise" and "lied" abt helping her re-purchase her mother's jewelry that she had pawned off to pay for her own supposed hospital bills. (There's one argument against supererogation.) See below, lifted straight from and unexpurgated from WhatsApp, for a representative sample. (Achtung!: Excess unctuousness ahead.) 


3:53am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I have bad news
3:54am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Hey
3:54am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Ok what happend
3:54am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: ....
3:54am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: So the guys at Moneygram told me that they won't approve the transfer because they think you're a scammer.
3:55am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I told them I didn't care what they thought
3:55am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: But they said they weren't comfortable
3:55am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: They asked me all kinds of personal questions
3:55am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Like my relationship to you
3:55am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: They asked me to prove that we know each other
3:56am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Ok and?
3:56am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Like joint travel tickets or receipts
3:56am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Which of course I dont have
3:57am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Then they said that theybe received complaints before about a person with your name in Romania
3:57am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: This isnt possible im telling u baby isnt possible they have to send bcz people send each other more than 700 euros and than what they do they block??? They cant block impossible also i used money gram before when my uncle was at work in another country
3:57am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Thats not true
3:57am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Whaaaat
3:57am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: ???
3:57am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Which of course made me a bit worried.
3:57am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Complaints?
3:58am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Serious???
3:58am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Yea
3:58am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I mean, you do borrow money or try to borrow from a few people right? You told me you've asked Alex before
3:59am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Has anyone else ever lent you money?
3:59am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: They said they have complaints from other consumers regarding unreturned money from you
4:00am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: She asked me 'would you be comfortable if you knew that your receiver has received money from other people?'
4:01am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Listen i asked Alex but he never lent me... That was the only money ...look u know what u are inventing stuff bcz u dont want to help me exactly like last time i dont like liars so u know what? Dont worry anymore ill fix myself without your help also thank u for scammer compliments and also yes believe them bcz im telling u i hadnt receive anything from strange people only mum and uncle when they were in another country
4:01am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Just leave me alone liar god u made me mad now scammer ..ill go today at money gram and ill leave u message and u will see if im a scammer or not
4:01am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Bye
4:02am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I said yea, but not because I think she's a scammer (since I know you have a rough life and need all the help you can get). I would be worried because that would mean you're in financial trouble. So I want to help.
4:02am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: I dont need help leave me alone
4:02am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Antonia, have you not been reading?
4:02am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I was arguing with moneygram
4:03am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Defending yoy
4:03am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: You
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: I have read all and ill go today at money gram and u will see im not a scammer
4:03am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: They're saying you are
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: I dont need anything
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: U are sayig this
4:03am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I'm saying you aren't. I said transfer my monry
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Also look
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: I wanna tell u
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Smth
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: I have used
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Money gram
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: 2 times only
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: One with my um
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Mum
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: One
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: With uncle
4:03am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Thats it
4:04am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: So im telling u for sure
4:04am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Mum and uncle arent complaining
4:04am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Ok
4:04am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Ok nvm
4:04am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: That's what they told me
4:04am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Why would I lie?
4:04am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Aha
4:04am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I can show you a picture
4:04am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: It was processed
4:04am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: No i dont too any pic
4:04am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: All they had to do was ask me questions
4:04am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: And I nswered them
4:05am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Then they said sorry were not comfortable
4:05am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: And I said what if I said I am? It's my money
4:05am, Dec 24 - T[redacted]: They said sorry again
4:05am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Dont worry anymore ill see what i can do bcz im so mad and like i said i have 2 days if u really wanted to help me u would have sent last night from bank to bank and thats it would be over
4:05am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: And tomorrow i would have it
4:05am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: So the thing to do now is to open up a Skrill account
4:05am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: No i dont need one
4:06am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Actually. That's no good
4:06am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: U can send bank trough bank
4:06am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: But u dont too
4:06am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Bcz is easy with home banking
4:06am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Why do you say these things?
4:06am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: 'if I really wanted to help'
4:06am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I do want to help
4:06am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Bcz u would have sent by home banking
4:07am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I spent 9 hrs yesterday at least making calls running around town
4:07am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: The home banking thing was my idea in case you forget
4:07am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Why u dont send by home banking??????
4:07am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: U forgot
4:07am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Not me
4:07am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Nvm [redacted]
4:07am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Just sleep i think is late there
4:07am, Dec 24 - [redacted] And I only decided against it because I thought there was a faster way
4:07am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Ill see what i can do i dont need to hear bad things again
4:08am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I had only you in mind
4:08am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: U said last night u can do by home banking from bank to bank
4:08am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Why u dont do this online now?
4:08am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: For example
4:08am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Nvm really
4:08am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Also thank u for trying
4:08am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: And I coukdnt do bank to bank transfer afterwards because I now have like $5000 on hold because of those WU attempts that they didn't validate
4:09am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: My bank account is essentially locked now
4:09am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Because I was trying to help you. But I'm not blaming you. As you know. I also tried with moneygram last night.
4:09am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: My bank is really suspicious now
4:09am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: They want all kinds of proof
4:10am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Like invoice. Or passport photos of you
4:10am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I dont have any of that
4:10am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Before I met you I never sent any money anywhere. Now I am sending $2000plus a month to Romania
4:10am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Ok everybody is suspicious.. Do u really want to believe this? Look if u go to a wu office u give them money in hand and say i want to send this to this they dont ask u anything ok ?????????
4:11am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: And I've never been to europe
4:11am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: And also with home banking same easy and no infos given to anyone just account
4:11am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Ok everybody is suspicious.. Do u really want to believe this? Look if u go to a wu office u give them money in hand and say i want to send this to this they dont ask u anything ok ?????????
4:11am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Read this
4:12am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I can only take out $400 cash a day from bank
4:12am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I can still do this for you
4:12am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: But that means you have to wait 3 days
4:12am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Nvm is Christmas Eve i got to go at aunt ill tell her the truth maybe it will count and someone will help me finally bcz u think im a scammer
4:12am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Yes now 3 days
4:12am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I just can't do any sort of transfer
4:12am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Yesterday2
4:12am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Days
4:13am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Since my account is locked now
4:13am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Leave it like this i cant wait lately  friday i got to pay
4:13am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Antonia when did i say you're a scammer?
4:13am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Bcz i got the delay
4:13am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Didn't you read?
4:13am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Moneygran said you are
4:13am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I said no you're not
4:13am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: They didn't care what I said
4:13am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Only friday is last day and ill see this time i got to manage my own ... Ok
4:13am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Ok
4:14am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: You're being very unappreciative and I don't like it. I was on the phone with them yesterday from 6to9 after they never sent me the reference number
4:14am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: You act like I am god
4:14am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: But it is ok. I won't be angry
4:14am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: I know you're nervous
4:15am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: And i wish these delays didn't happen
4:15am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Ok is my fault yes bcz u are trying to help me from friday and u keep saying smth goes wrong... I told u thank u for all im angry now and nvm really ill manage my own from now on i wont seek help to anyone
4:15am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: No it isn't your fault
4:15am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Antonia
4:16am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: Maybe I've spoiled you. The last few times you've neeeded help you've gotten it instantly.
4:16am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: But one thing you need to understand about banks in America is that
4:16am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: The consumer protection laws are really serious
4:17am, Dec 24 - [redacted]: So banking companies eventually get suspicious even if they allow transfers initially
4:18am, Dec 24 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: Ok u spoiled me too much just bcz i needed help nvm just leave it im telling u i wont need anything again ok? Thats a promise and also ill do all possible to send u all back maybe with money gram or wu so they can see im not a scammer

Notice there at the very end, she says that she will "send u all back [my money] so they can see im not a scammer." Not surprisingly, Ms. Chivu has steadfastly refused to return me my money ever since what I now call "the break-up." 'Cos that's what scammers do, and a scammer does what scammers do. 

This is the switch. 

No non-scamming mind would have predicted this precipitous about-face had they read what Ms. Chivu texted me just 36 or so young hours before MoneyGram and WU both rejected my transfer requests (which, I must add, my bank authorized - this tells you how little confidence both companies had in Arwyn's morals, contra her vehement attestations). Here's her "love letter":


4:51pm, Dec 22 - Antonia Theodora Chivu: This is my Christmas gift a love letter : Since i met u i knew that we belong together,.The first fight made me stronger and made our relationship stronger.When i first saw your eyes and your personality i knew that nothing can be more beautifull in this world... Every day that pass make me feel like i know u from another life and u make me feel apreciated and special.I would love to wake up near u everyday to feel your sent and to fill your heart with joy. I LOVE U FOREVER MY [redacted]!!!    ...hihi Christmas came earlier for u with this present

Let me just say that, dumb as I was for ever having believed this perfidious woman, Ms. Antonia Theodora Chivu of Romania, was only able to obtain my money because of her scheming crookery.

So, in this way, I have been bilked out of much personal wealth by this con artist. I told Chaturbate what Arwyn was doing to me and many other CB’ers (whose money I’ve witnessed her take on several occasions in order, ostensibly, to buy specific items, e.g., the “Hitachi,” to use on her shows, none of which, mysteriously, has ever shown up), but Chaturbate merely responded with a curt “we don’t typically get involved with situations like this” non-response, afterwards refunding me a paltry “one time only good-faith” sum of 10,000 tokens, presumably to get me to cease requesting Arwyn’s suspension. 

It’s pretty clear why: Arwyn ’s the proverbial cash cow, having more than 70,000 followers. To wit, since much of Chaturbate 's revenue comes from taking a big cut out of their broadcasters', or models', tips, losing someone like her is something of a financial boner-killer. But, a company with more integrity would have assessed the situation thusly: I’ve tipped Arwyn around 40,000 tokens in the last two or three months, in addition to sending her more than 1900 USD through WU – most of which I wouldn’t have done so had she not been able to PM me in private and give me her number. (Yea, great idea, Chaturbate, allowing your broadcasters, many of whom are strapped for cash, to do this.) And since one reason I kept coming back to tip her generously was the pitiful stories that she was able to convey to me only because Chaturbate provided her with a platform to do so, I deserve more than just a quarter of my tips back. (An actual refund in credit, maybe? Just a thought.) And, without a doubt, the paying denizens of Chaturbate deserve more. 




In simpler terms, and cutting to the uncomfortable chase - in enabling Arwyn to private message tipping CB’ers like me, and give out her phone number so she can spin her sob yarns offline, out of the "watchful" gaze of Chaturbate, and then doing next to nothing to punish the malefactor’s wrongdoings when someone with abundant proof and who has offered to present the evidence in full of their offline interactions with this Romanian Calypso, Chaturbate is practically abetting this scammer’s criminal activities. 

Please suspend Arwyn's account, Chaturbate. The people who visit and reward your models, and, in doing so, generate the bulk of your site's revenue, deserve not to be scammed, or made possible victims of scamming in virtue of visiting your website.  


12 comments:

  1. Hello Alex!

    I see....i see. The puzzle pieces finally fall into place.

    You might have seen me in her room, either as a tipper or a mod perhaps,
    I go under the alias Banankita.

    Seems i fell into the same trap as you, i didnt send the amount offline like you did, and it wasent moneygram this time.
    It was western union.

    It was not that great an amount of money offline only 207 euros.

    But still the same mo, i guess i was too blue eyed, trusting in the good of other people too much. And especially her.

    She did it once before, but i could not tip the amount that she asked, because of my financial situation at the time.

    I like you tipped her quite generously over the time i spent in her room.

    I tipped 28379 tokens since i first went into her room in the beginning of february 2014 until now.

    And October and November 9177 and 8699 respectively.

    There must be someway to stop this..

    Sincerely
    Banankita

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  2. Stories like this are floating all around the internet.
    I can't understand how people still fall into this type of shit.
    I'm Romanian myself, whores like this are making me feel really ashamed that I was born here.
    This fucking slut deserves to have her pussy burned in jail for years, even more.
    I was a user of this site, until I realized that I'm wasting my life, basically. Didn't waste any money here but I'm regreting the time which I lost.
    Now I keep on visiting the well-known 18+ sites on the net for 'my needs'; it's way better (I never got addicted to those).
    As you already know, it's all just a psychological thing, nothing more: it's just you and the fucking monitor in front of you.
    Now I'm really determined to give absolutely everything just to get out of my fucking fucked-up country, full of bitchies which steal from you, scam you and so on...

    Wishing you all the best,
    ex-chaturbate user

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